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I... am... highly DEPLORABLE!
08-19-2017, 06:49 AM
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RE: I... am... highly DEPLORABLE!
(08-17-2017 12:32 PM)Westbrook Wrote:
 
Okay, any moderates here willing to discuss what the hell is going on are welcome to participate. Trump was right that there were many sides inciting violence. Antifa and BLM were bringing baseball bats and pepper spray to an otherwise peaceful protest. Pretending they weren't isn't going to make this situation in America any better. They did themselves no favors by doing stuff they weren't supposed to. That said, waving Nazi flags and running down people in cars is not an acceptable reaction to this. There is absolutely no reason for an American citizen to be waving a Nazi flag (with exception to art) while saying "Blood and Soil" and doing salutes. To any saying that driving a car into a crowd of people is retaliation, I'd like you to prove that every single person injured by that were breaking the law and assaulting people. If a single person wasn't, there is no justification for that in any way. You have the right to protest and the right of freedom of speech. If you choose to shout racial slurs, and stand by KKK and neonazis, expect people to not like it. They have right to do that though, and Anitifa and BLM members assaulting them for it is breaking the law and violating their rights. Let them face the consequences of that though, do not retaliate by killing people. Imagine if any frustrated members of either side brought a gun to this. I'm getting tired of this shit, and if you agree, please give your opinions down below.

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09-07-2017, 01:41 AM
Post: #32
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For the other parts about peacefully assembling and exercising your constitutional right to free speech making you a piece of shit, I believe that is absolutely un-American. It's a founding principle of this great nation.

I can tell you this...if the KKK decides to have a parade down my street, I'll be out there with whatever I can muster to denounce them.

Denzel, not trying to pick on you, or saying I disagree, but you said both of the above lines in this conversation. Isn't that trying to play both sides of the coin at the same time? It seems to me a little bit like saying " You can do what you want, as long as it's what I want you to do " If the KKK takes the time and effort to get the appropriate permits to have a march, who are you to tell them they can't? You don't have to agree, but by law you can't try to stop them either.
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09-07-2017, 01:55 AM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 02:02 AM by donzelwshngton.)
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No worries man, thanks for that.

Well marching and speaking ones mind is one thing...showing up armed, intimidating peaceful protesters, beating people up within inches of their lives, driving cars into crowds, discharging firearms into crowds...all while espousing a platform of hatred that has literally killed millions of Jews and subjugated entire races into slavery is another. There's the key difference between anti fascist protesters and the white nationalists: one group stands on an ideology that has killed millions of people and enslaved/subjugated races. We fought a World War to settle that issue, Germany and other countries have outlawed neo Nazi gatherings because some platforms need to be shut down. There are reasonable limits to free speech (e.g. libel, child pornography, inciting violence, etc).

I get that there's some dissonance here and it seems hypocritical...free speech should be free in terms of government suppression on public land...but it's not without consequence if what folks have to say is so vile that it sparks an uproar from the vast majority of decent people that want no part of a white ethnostate. The KKK can march around and say what they want but based on their discussion, planning, actions and attitude, just speaking their minds is not all they want
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09-10-2017, 02:30 AM
Post: #34
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(09-07-2017 01:55 AM)donzelwshngton Wrote:
 
...all while espousing a platform of hatred that has literally killed millions of Jews and subjugated entire races into slavery

Yeah sorry but I am calling bullshit on this.

It is a disservice to compare those that committed war crimes in the 1930s and 40s across the globe- to some modern day dumb rednecks from the American South.
African slavery was started by the Portuguese, British, French, Spanish & Dutch, not by Thomas Jefferson.
In fact there is no reason why any American in today's day and age should be this afraid of Nazis. They hold no power whatsoever, their only effective strategy is to antagonize and irritate people. Same with the KKK, the two of them are irrelevant hate groups just trying to stay relevant.
Looks like you are helping them achieve that goal.

Sorry just thought this conversation needed more logic and less confusion.

I understand and concur with your dislike for these groups, just seems a little bit much.
Of course this is just my opinion, ymmv, etc.
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09-10-2017, 02:44 AM
Post: #35
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(09-07-2017 01:55 AM)donzelwshngton Wrote:
 
..free speech should be free in terms of government suppression on public land...but it's not without consequence if what folks have to say is so vile that it sparks an uproar from the vast majority of decent people that want no part of a white ethnostate.

While we're being honest, the catch phrase "separation of church and state" is really only supposed to be about our government forcing a national religion on its citizens, nothing more. Not removing murals, statues or crosses, etc from public buildings, etc. so it's interesting to see how things can shift from their original meaning. Personally I am not a fan of this phenomenon but not much I can do about it. I much prefer when things mean what they are.
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09-15-2017, 08:19 PM (This post was last modified: 09-15-2017 08:32 PM by donzelwshngton.)
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"It is a disservice to compare those that committed war crimes in the 1930s and 40s across the globe- to some modern day dumb rednecks from the American South."

We agree on them being dumbshits but this sort of nationalistic, race-blaming thinking is endemic in the United States...it's just not always waving a Nazi flag. Look at who's in the white house: a guy who was convicted twice of marking Black people's rental applications with a 'C', who pretends he'll build a do-nothing wall between us and Mexico to pander to an electoral base of racists. A guy who is slow to condemn KKK members who stump for his campaign and violent white supremacists who march to support him. A guy who encourages mob justice against innocent black people
and who orders black staff off of the floor of his casinos.

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (which is insane to me) he is #1 with every racist website out there. These are the same people who were lynching 60-100 years ago. His seat of power should tell you something about how prominent racism still is in this country and how it is overlooked if jobs are promised. Looking at the bigger picture: as global and US crises rise to our doorstep in the coming decades (e.g. global warming, repercussions of never-ending imperialistic western wars, diminished US prosperity in zero sum markets) there will be a strong attraction to blame other races, religions, countries, etc. We're already seeing it.

"African slavery was started by the Portuguese, British, French, Spanish & Dutch, not by Thomas Jefferson. "

How does that minimize the role of Americans (and the American South in particular) in enacting two centuries of slavery, 100 years of jim crow and decades of institutionally racist policy since? Saying "they started it" is a childish response here.

"In fact there is no reason why any American in today's day and age should be this afraid of Nazis. They hold no power whatsoever, their only effective strategy is to antagonize and irritate people. Same with the KKK, the two of them are irrelevant hate groups just trying to stay relevant.
Looks like you are helping them achieve that goal. "

I agree that ignoring trolls tends to make them go away but this is different...

1) these are violent people carrying forward a violent, deadly past and they are becoming a lot more brazen

2) quiet sympathizers are littered throughout our society. It's not as if the civil rights movement of the late 60s happened and suddenly everyone's minds were changed. There are a lot of people who privately hold the same disgraceful, shameful opinions about race that their forefathers did; seeing others loud and proud in the street only encourages them to go down that dark road further. Society at large should see that it is not tolerated.

"Sorry just thought this conversation needed more logic and less confusion.

I understand and concur with your dislike for these groups, just seems a little bit much."


No need to apologize Smile I'm glad we agree on some basic stuff and I enjoy the conversation. I seem to be the only person who has a different and strong opinion about this dark history repeating itself...hope that's ok with you and everyone else.
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09-16-2017, 06:01 PM
Post: #37
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(09-15-2017 08:19 PM)donzelwshngton Wrote:
 
"It is a disservice to compare those that committed war crimes in the 1930s and 40s across the globe- to some modern day dumb rednecks from the American South."

We agree on them being dumbshits but this sort of nationalistic, race-blaming thinking is endemic in the United States...it's just not always waving a Nazi flag. Look at who's in the white house: a guy who was convicted twice of marking Black people's rental applications with a 'C', who pretends he'll build a do-nothing wall between us and Mexico to pander to an electoral base of racists. A guy who is slow to condemn KKK members who stump for his campaign and violent white supremacists who march to support him. A guy who encourages mob justice against innocent black people
and who orders black staff off of the floor of his casinos.

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (which is insane to me) he is #1 with every racist website out there. These are the same people who were lynching 60-100 years ago. His seat of power should tell you something about how prominent racism still is in this country and how it is overlooked if jobs are promised. Looking at the bigger picture: as global and US crises rise to our doorstep in the coming decades (e.g. global warming, repercussions of never-ending imperialistic western wars, diminished US prosperity in zero sum markets) there will be a strong attraction to blame other races, religions, countries, etc. We're already seeing it.

"African slavery was started by the Portuguese, British, French, Spanish & Dutch, not by Thomas Jefferson. "

How does that minimize the role of Americans (and the American South in particular) in enacting two centuries of slavery, 100 years of jim crow and decades of institutionally racist policy since? Saying "they started it" is a childish response here.

"In fact there is no reason why any American in today's day and age should be this afraid of Nazis. They hold no power whatsoever, their only effective strategy is to antagonize and irritate people. Same with the KKK, the two of them are irrelevant hate groups just trying to stay relevant.
Looks like you are helping them achieve that goal. "

I agree that ignoring trolls tends to make them go away but this is different...

1) these are violent people carrying forward a violent, deadly past and they are becoming a lot more brazen

2) quiet sympathizers are littered throughout our society. It's not as if the civil rights movement of the late 60s happened and suddenly everyone's minds were changed. There are a lot of people who privately hold the same disgraceful, shameful opinions about race that their forefathers did; seeing others loud and proud in the street only encourages them to go down that dark road further. Society at large should see that it is not tolerated.

"Sorry just thought this conversation needed more logic and less confusion.

I understand and concur with your dislike for these groups, just seems a little bit much."


No need to apologize Smile I'm glad we agree on some basic stuff and I enjoy the conversation. I seem to be the only person who has a different and strong opinion about this dark history repeating itself...hope that's ok with you and everyone else.

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09-17-2017, 10:46 AM
Post: #38
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This is an interesting post. Kudos to all for staying civil. I feel the need to point out that a good deal of anti trump folks were very violent before the election. The blm showed up at most trump rally's and made a nuisance of themselves, no respect given to others rights to gather and support their candidate. Even the leftist news media was covering all the anti trump folks harassing ( cussing out, surrounding vehicles, throwing bottles and trash, physical assault, blocking building entrances and exits, etc) there is violence on both sides of the isle. I think it's a lot what people choose to see. Americans need to start standing up for Americans. That is what originally made this country great, and now corrupt politicians are doing anything for a vote, including turning us against each other under the name of race creed and color. It is sad.
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